Then they decided that they were defined not by their inner boundaries with the True God, but by their external boundaries, the boundaries with the world external to them.

Look. Your physical body and the existing external reality perceived by you are your active creation. You begin to perceive your boundaries as the outline of your physical body and fight for your physical inviolability. But you do not realize that these boundaries are an illusion. Your true boundary is the one that separates you from God, and it is located within you. And if you turn your creation inward, you will begin to return to God within yourself, creating other magical worlds along the way. And this is passive creation.

But don’t we all actively create the external perceived worlds? Does that mean we are all men?

You are talking about the physical body. When every morning you wake up and create the world perceived by you within the part of yourself, you create actively, distancing yourself from the true boundaries of yourself, and you feel your separation from God. And many of you become so engrossed in this external creation of yourselves that you consider it the boundary of your true self. But when you return to God within yourself, to me, to Kuthumi, to all your parts within yourself, you interact with us through your true boundaries, through that which separates you from the True God. And then you create passively.

So, everything I see around me is my external creation of myself? And everything I feel within me is my internal creation of myself? But then, are you also my internal creation?

You could say that.

So, what yogis see when they travel through astral worlds is simply their internal creation? And it doesn’t actually exist?

We have already discussed what reality is. Reality is what you perceive. If you perceive a certain reality, it exists for you just as you perceive it. If you become a multidimensional being and begin to perceive several realities simultaneously or in succession, they all exist at the moment you perceive them.

If you perceive several realities simultaneously, they all exist simultaneously for you. What another person perceives also exists, but only when you perceive it. Therefore, there is no point in arguing about who is right. Each of you is right because everything you perceive does indeed exist. That reality exists because he creates it. Perception is creation. Do you understand?

Tell me about the concepts we have about you. Heaven and hell—what are they?

A form of perception or creation of the World. What are heaven and hell in your understanding?

Hell is a place where the Souls of the dead end up if they have sinned. There, they receive punishment. And heaven is the opposite, where the Souls who lived righteously go.

We have already discussed what "sin" is—it's the irrational use of Divine energy. Irrational in the sense that it does not contribute to Movement and Change. Try to move away, at least for a while, from ethical constructs and think from the perspective of energetic processes.

So, if a person uses Divine Energy irrationally, what happens?

You are islands of Divine Energy. And to create a system of input and output valves, you have a chakra system. Each chakra regulates a kind of pressure in the energetic processes happening within your island of perception. But most of your energy simply circulates within you. It cannot disappear; it can only change its characteristics due to external or internal influence. If you spend it on transforming your reality, it continues to exist in the form of that reality.

Where did the concept of hell come from? From human ideas about it.

What is punishment?

Everything is a Reflection of Divine Light. And as a reflection, it cannot be right or wrong. It simply is.

Which color in the rainbow is correct, and which is not? Everything is countless Glints observed by God. And, as you’ve already realized, He has no preferences. Every newly created Glint is amazing in its diversity.

So why would God punish someone, and for what, if to Him everything is His Reflection? This means that all existing Reflections are equal or equally interesting and acceptable since they are He Himself.

Punishment does not exist. Or, more simply, it exists in your minds.

Look. A child does something that his parents don't like. And they tell him: this is bad. In turn, they were taught this by their parents, and so on. Gradually, a person forms the concept of "bad and good." In the same way, you formed the concept of hell and heaven.

So, you mean to say that neither hell nor heaven exists?

Everything exists that you believe in. If you believe that in hell devils fry sinners on a skillet, but you won't end up there because you behave well, then that's exactly how it is. And if you fear that you'll end up there for your sins, then so it will be.